oleg, i recommend rorebt fisk:So why were we so surprised when the Free Syrian Army fled the city? Did we really expect the Assad regime to close up shop and run because a few hundred men with Kalashnikovs wanted to stage a miniature Warsaw uprising in Homs? Did we really believe that the deaths of women and children – and journalists – would prevent those who still claim the mantle of Arab nationalism from crushing the city? When the West happily adopted the illusions of Nicolas Sarkozy, David Cameron and Hillary Clinton – and the Arab Gulf states whose demands for Syrian democracy are matched by their refusal to give this same democracy to their own people – the Syrians understood the hypocrisy.Were the Saudis, now so keen to arm Syria’s Sunni insurgents – along with Sunni Qatar – planning to surrender their feudal, princely Sunni power to their own citizens and to their Shia minority? Was the Emir of Qatar contemplating resignation? Among the lobbyists of Washington, among the illusionists at the Brookings Institution and the Rand Corporation and the Council on Foreign Relations and all the other US outfits that peddle New York Times editorials, Homs had become the new Benghazi, the start-line for the advance on Damascus.It was the same old American dream: if a police state was ruthless, cynical and corrupt – and let us have no illusions about the Baathist apparatus and its panjandrum – then its opponents, however poorly armed, would win; because they were the good guys. The old cliche9s clanked into focus. The Baathists were Nazis; Bashar a mere cipher in the hands of his family; his wife, Asma, variously an Eva Braun, Marie Antoinette or Lady Macbeth. Upon this nonsense, the West and the Arabs built their hopes.
I thought the seoictn on Zionism was way too long and this part was unwarranted : The following verses (from the 23rd chapter of Exodus) present Zionism in a nutshell : I will send my terror upon all the people whose land you invade, and they will panic before you. I will send hornets ahead of you to drive out the Hivites, Canaanites, and Hittites. But I will not do this all in one year because the land would become a wilderness, and the wild animals would become too many to control. I will drive them out a little at a time until your population has increased enough to fill the land and I will fix your boundaries from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean Sea, and from the southern deserts to the Euphrates River. I will help you defeat the people now living in the land, and you will drive them out ahead of you. Make no treaties with them and have nothing to do with their gods. Do not even let them live among you! If you do, they will infect you with their sin of idol worship, and that would be disastrous for you. (Scripture quotations are taken from the Holy Bible, New Living Translation, copyright 1996. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers, Inc, Wheaton, Illinois 60189. All rights reserved.)The ADL and the Dersh would have a field day with it.
Asma Assad talks very eloquently about Cast Lead. The ieamgs running are from Homs though. I am using it to demonstrate a point about relative values of people.Yes, I know. You are citing the video because it contrasts Asma Assad’s eloquent statement on the suffering people of Gaza during Cast Lead with ieamgs of the current conflict in Syria. So in conclusion, you are calling her a hypocrite and by relation, your political opponents.Asma Assad speaks for herself. She does not speak for Mondoweiss. Certainly not for Phil Weiss who has written about the brutality of the Syrian regime in the past:So my original point still stands. You cite this video to undermine the legitimate focus on Israel for it’s own criminal and immoral behavior.There are people who care deeply about animal rights or the environment. I expect you to remain consistent in your inconsistency and go chastise them for focusing on those issues rather than Darfur, Sudan, Syria, etc.You do not care about dead Syrians. Phil clearly does. He has written about it, even though his focus is the Jewish State, since he is Jewish, and America’s eternal ally’ (from the words of our various political representatives), since he is American.We as Americans should concern ourselves first and foremost with behavior we are responsible for. We as Americans should concern ourselves with Israel since our politicians tell us that Israel is our closest ally. We should concern ourselves with Israel since we send Israel billions in economic aide (among other things like total diplomatic immunity, military arsenal, etc. etc.).The United States is not propping up the Syrian regime. OlegR said:The blog headline saysThe War of Ideas in the Middle Eastit has a whole chapter dealing with Arab Spring, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, and The war on Terror.No Syria yet (it’s been almost a year) and almost no mention of it.So don’t give me that.Phil has written about Syria and has written about all those countries listed. He has also written about Libya.We had another Zionist commentator here named, biorabbi’, who kept spamming this blog with stories about the recent events in Libya. Most of the stories were simply the on-going death-count though.He spammed the blog w/ such stories for precisely the reason you linked that video and made your comment meanwhile in Homs’.Both you and biorabbi are only interested in dead Arabs outside of Israel-Palestine, insofar as they mitigate (in your minds) the criminality and immorality of the Israeli government/army/etc.If Phil has not updated the list of categories on the blog, it is not because he is ideologically opposed to doing so. You imply as much which is laughable and once again, more telling of YOUR ideological opposition to criticism of your own piety than of Phil Weiss’s perceived pieties.OlegR said:He is awfully silent about it though as do many activists’ in the liberal left. Did he open some emergency blog about Syria i am not aware of.At least you admit that you expect Phil to write about Syria if he also writes about Israel. This was my original point.You use the conflict in Syria as a smokescreen for Zionist criminality in Israel proper and in the Palestinian territories and all other related issues in the nexus of Zionism/Jewish identity/Israel and Palestine.Phil will write about what interests him. He does not have to be Amnesty International.He is a regular person like us. I remember an old debate where Noam Chomsky faced off against several Canadian journalists including a young David Frum.The initial line of questioning from Frum:David Frum using Chomsky’s activism on the Palestinian issue as an example:Chomsky goes on to say, hey, listen, I’m not Amnesty International.’The same justification applies here. Phil Weiss and his team of journalists, as well as guest authors, have written about other issues on what is primarily an Israel-Palestine conflict centric blog.It is apparently not good enough for you that Phil Weiss and the MW team have written about the Arab Spring, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, and the War on Terror.You would not be satisfied if Syria was added to that already long list. Just as the other Zionist commentator, biorabbi, was not satisfied that Phil did not add Libya’ to said list.It just so happens that Phil has written about both subjects. So you are absolutely false.OlegR said:You really don’t know me Cliff so don’t assume what i care or care not about , thank you.This elsewhere is awfully close to our borders.Are you aware there have been talks in about establishing refugee camps to Syrian’sshould there be a mass flee towards our borders what to do with these refugeeshow to feed them where to put them.
I thought a lot about the cmtneoms that started with the Vatican, but were about the institution. It is quite PC (and why not?) to ridicule and smear the Catholic Church and those who might identify with the institution. Let’s not get off topic and get into everyone’s favorite the ole’ Catholic bashing/ridiculing. The institution of the Church is not Catholicism. And like all institutions and states, as a whole, will do some awful things in the name of whatever .to survive. Maybe the worst thing that happened to Christianity/Catholicism is when Diocletian stopped is slaughter of Christians, and Constantine adopted it for political power. The church then became quickly institutionalized. So, how different is the institution of Penn State University than that of the Church? Some misguided people made some bad decisions, inhumane decisions to try and protect an institution. That is wrong, even evil and should be punished.But shall we condemn all students, researchers, etc., associated with Penn State University. Shall we dismiss all good the institution has done?As for the Inquisition. That was when the Spanish Throne and the Church (with rumblings of the reformation on the way) together went into a state of paranoia. And with the combination of the State and the Church under threat, the lapsed Catholics were under question, then that moved to the Conversos, then the Muslims most of whom were harassed, abused, tortured, murdered or sent away, spelling the end of Islamic influence and culture in Spain. And then finally the Jews knew they could not escape the spreading insanity in spite of fact that as a group, they held the highest social/cultural positions in Spain. Before their terrible and traumatic misfortune of expulsion, Issac Abrabanel who was the right hand to Ferdinand and Isabella asked for right of departure and safe passage. This was given, even by a papal bull. Issac requested and was granted that it would fall onto the ninth of the month of Ab of the Judaic calendar to correspond with the date of the destruction of the temple. Why?There was this apocalyptic fear movement going on in Europe at that time (another reason for the Inquisition) and Abrabanel belonged to the apologetically minded and into END OF TIMES drama meisters. (He wrote Deliverance of the Anointed One and held himself out as a leader of the messianic movement that was to follow. So making sure that Fred and Liz kicked them out on exactly the right date, would serve the bigger purpose in his mind of bringing all Jews together under the Messiah, which was supposed to happen on 1503. Sorry I digressed. But the inquisition is so often cited and used for narratives, but so little is really known about it.Back to Catholic bashing. So London Bridge was adorned with Catholic Heads on both sides to remind all that the Church was no longer, and forever banned. This was political.But fed the wonderful tradition of Catholic mistrust and bashing to this day in much of Europe and North America. Remember the Know Nothing Party? Remember the murders of priests in Alabama and New England. Remember the burning of an Ursuline orphanage in NY? These things did not happen really all that too long ago. I have childhood memories of destruction and burning of a Catholic church where we briefly lived as a child. It is easy to make fun of the visual and symbolic traditions, pomp and prayer. But do not know if the Church as an institution well over 2000 years old has any more dirt in its history than any other state/institution?
oleg, the situation in syria appreas more complex to the outsider. people are still putting the pieces togetherwhereas the situation in palestine has been going on for decades and is completely transparent at this point, there’s nothing complex about understanding what’s going on there. directing people to look at syria won’t change that.you ask below why there have not been many syria posts here and i can only speak for myself and why i have not written any. i’ve already explained this before (i think). i have very much been following events there, very much. there’s just so much bs coming out of the msm it’s hard to decipher it all. on the very first libya thread i mentioned i am not a fan of nato intervention. i didn’t like it in libya and would not like it in syria. the collateral damage’ would be enormous. the US instigated a civil sectarian war in iraq. i think the people over there should work out there own problems. i thought of you and the other hasbrats last night when i was reviewing(14 UN Security Council members criticize U.S. for blocking condemnation of Israel). i was reading up on the trajectory of netanyahu calling the europeans irrelevant’ and to get out of their domestic affairs (as if settlements are a domestic issue!) ..anyway, the israeli response to the UN:Karean Peretz, spokeswoman for Israel’s UN Mission, questioned why the Security Council was focusing on settlements but remained silent and paralyzed on pressing issues including civilian killings in Syria, terrorist groups operating in Gaza, attacks on UN forces in Lebanon and Iran’s quest for nuclear weapons.divert divert divert what a big coincidence all the israel supporters are so concerned about syrians while they are chugging along for decades imprisoning millions of arab palestinians/not. you don’t fool anyone. from the ifm to the lowliest hasbrat it’s the same talking pt out of all of you.
Guséknál vacsoráztunk – isteni volt, nagyon jó emberek, mi meg mint egy darab kő ültünk a sarokban és halgattuk őket. Mostanra kipurcantunk. Éppen készülődünk, összepakoljuk a cuccainkat és indulunk haza. Ma éjszaka már Milánó, holnap este már vendégek, I will sleep when I die…
@pazzo: nagyszeru osszefoglalo, koszi :-) Egyebkent osszefutottunk Apuskaval, Bengabigevel es Cserkevel is vegul, igy mar minden dij kezbesitve. Beszamolok majd holnaptol.
By the amount of words you have wrtietn and the passion it seems to me that i kinda hit a nerve there.Still no amount of words that you write will change the factthat Surya (y pronounced strongly BTW that’s how you pronounce it in Arabic not your your English Syria ,talk about knowing the natives and respect ha Cliff)get’s a tiny fraction of coverage in the liberal left blogospehre in comparison to I/P conflict while the body count there skyrockets./No they do not. And until you can prove that they have, you should put a cork in it./Yes they do Cliff you know they try no to look too closely at it the get so confused as annie have wrtietn above/the situation in syria appears more complex to the outsider. people are still putting the pieces together/You get it they are putting pieces together.You can turn it and twist it anyway you like but in the andthis is hypocrisy nothing else.
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oleg, i recommend rorebt fisk:So why were we so surprised when the Free Syrian Army fled the city? Did we really expect the Assad regime to close up shop and run because a few hundred men with Kalashnikovs wanted to stage a miniature Warsaw uprising in Homs? Did we really believe that the deaths of women and children – and journalists – would prevent those who still claim the mantle of Arab nationalism from crushing the city? When the West happily adopted the illusions of Nicolas Sarkozy, David Cameron and Hillary Clinton – and the Arab Gulf states whose demands for Syrian democracy are matched by their refusal to give this same democracy to their own people – the Syrians understood the hypocrisy.Were the Saudis, now so keen to arm Syria’s Sunni insurgents – along with Sunni Qatar – planning to surrender their feudal, princely Sunni power to their own citizens and to their Shia minority? Was the Emir of Qatar contemplating resignation? Among the lobbyists of Washington, among the illusionists at the Brookings Institution and the Rand Corporation and the Council on Foreign Relations and all the other US outfits that peddle New York Times editorials, Homs had become the new Benghazi, the start-line for the advance on Damascus.It was the same old American dream: if a police state was ruthless, cynical and corrupt – and let us have no illusions about the Baathist apparatus and its panjandrum – then its opponents, however poorly armed, would win; because they were the good guys. The old cliche9s clanked into focus. The Baathists were Nazis; Bashar a mere cipher in the hands of his family; his wife, Asma, variously an Eva Braun, Marie Antoinette or Lady Macbeth. Upon this nonsense, the West and the Arabs built their hopes.
I thought the seoictn on Zionism was way too long and this part was unwarranted : The following verses (from the 23rd chapter of Exodus) present Zionism in a nutshell : I will send my terror upon all the people whose land you invade, and they will panic before you. I will send hornets ahead of you to drive out the Hivites, Canaanites, and Hittites. But I will not do this all in one year because the land would become a wilderness, and the wild animals would become too many to control. I will drive them out a little at a time until your population has increased enough to fill the land and I will fix your boundaries from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean Sea, and from the southern deserts to the Euphrates River. I will help you defeat the people now living in the land, and you will drive them out ahead of you. Make no treaties with them and have nothing to do with their gods. Do not even let them live among you! If you do, they will infect you with their sin of idol worship, and that would be disastrous for you. (Scripture quotations are taken from the Holy Bible, New Living Translation, copyright 1996. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers, Inc, Wheaton, Illinois 60189. All rights reserved.)The ADL and the Dersh would have a field day with it.
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Asma Assad talks very eloquently about Cast Lead. The ieamgs running are from Homs though. I am using it to demonstrate a point about relative values of people.Yes, I know. You are citing the video because it contrasts Asma Assad’s eloquent statement on the suffering people of Gaza during Cast Lead with ieamgs of the current conflict in Syria. So in conclusion, you are calling her a hypocrite and by relation, your political opponents.Asma Assad speaks for herself. She does not speak for Mondoweiss. Certainly not for Phil Weiss who has written about the brutality of the Syrian regime in the past:So my original point still stands. You cite this video to undermine the legitimate focus on Israel for it’s own criminal and immoral behavior.There are people who care deeply about animal rights or the environment. I expect you to remain consistent in your inconsistency and go chastise them for focusing on those issues rather than Darfur, Sudan, Syria, etc.You do not care about dead Syrians. Phil clearly does. He has written about it, even though his focus is the Jewish State, since he is Jewish, and America’s eternal ally’ (from the words of our various political representatives), since he is American.We as Americans should concern ourselves first and foremost with behavior we are responsible for. We as Americans should concern ourselves with Israel since our politicians tell us that Israel is our closest ally. We should concern ourselves with Israel since we send Israel billions in economic aide (among other things like total diplomatic immunity, military arsenal, etc. etc.).The United States is not propping up the Syrian regime. OlegR said:The blog headline saysThe War of Ideas in the Middle Eastit has a whole chapter dealing with Arab Spring, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, and The war on Terror.No Syria yet (it’s been almost a year) and almost no mention of it.So don’t give me that.Phil has written about Syria and has written about all those countries listed. He has also written about Libya.We had another Zionist commentator here named, biorabbi’, who kept spamming this blog with stories about the recent events in Libya. Most of the stories were simply the on-going death-count though.He spammed the blog w/ such stories for precisely the reason you linked that video and made your comment meanwhile in Homs’.Both you and biorabbi are only interested in dead Arabs outside of Israel-Palestine, insofar as they mitigate (in your minds) the criminality and immorality of the Israeli government/army/etc.If Phil has not updated the list of categories on the blog, it is not because he is ideologically opposed to doing so. You imply as much which is laughable and once again, more telling of YOUR ideological opposition to criticism of your own piety than of Phil Weiss’s perceived pieties.OlegR said:He is awfully silent about it though as do many activists’ in the liberal left. Did he open some emergency blog about Syria i am not aware of.At least you admit that you expect Phil to write about Syria if he also writes about Israel. This was my original point.You use the conflict in Syria as a smokescreen for Zionist criminality in Israel proper and in the Palestinian territories and all other related issues in the nexus of Zionism/Jewish identity/Israel and Palestine.Phil will write about what interests him. He does not have to be Amnesty International.He is a regular person like us. I remember an old debate where Noam Chomsky faced off against several Canadian journalists including a young David Frum.The initial line of questioning from Frum:David Frum using Chomsky’s activism on the Palestinian issue as an example:Chomsky goes on to say, hey, listen, I’m not Amnesty International.’The same justification applies here. Phil Weiss and his team of journalists, as well as guest authors, have written about other issues on what is primarily an Israel-Palestine conflict centric blog.It is apparently not good enough for you that Phil Weiss and the MW team have written about the Arab Spring, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, and the War on Terror.You would not be satisfied if Syria was added to that already long list. Just as the other Zionist commentator, biorabbi, was not satisfied that Phil did not add Libya’ to said list.It just so happens that Phil has written about both subjects. So you are absolutely false.OlegR said:You really don’t know me Cliff so don’t assume what i care or care not about , thank you.This elsewhere is awfully close to our borders.Are you aware there have been talks in about establishing refugee camps to Syrian’sshould there be a mass flee towards our borders what to do with these refugeeshow to feed them where to put them.
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I thought a lot about the cmtneoms that started with the Vatican, but were about the institution. It is quite PC (and why not?) to ridicule and smear the Catholic Church and those who might identify with the institution. Let’s not get off topic and get into everyone’s favorite the ole’ Catholic bashing/ridiculing. The institution of the Church is not Catholicism. And like all institutions and states, as a whole, will do some awful things in the name of whatever .to survive. Maybe the worst thing that happened to Christianity/Catholicism is when Diocletian stopped is slaughter of Christians, and Constantine adopted it for political power. The church then became quickly institutionalized. So, how different is the institution of Penn State University than that of the Church? Some misguided people made some bad decisions, inhumane decisions to try and protect an institution. That is wrong, even evil and should be punished.But shall we condemn all students, researchers, etc., associated with Penn State University. Shall we dismiss all good the institution has done?As for the Inquisition. That was when the Spanish Throne and the Church (with rumblings of the reformation on the way) together went into a state of paranoia. And with the combination of the State and the Church under threat, the lapsed Catholics were under question, then that moved to the Conversos, then the Muslims most of whom were harassed, abused, tortured, murdered or sent away, spelling the end of Islamic influence and culture in Spain. And then finally the Jews knew they could not escape the spreading insanity in spite of fact that as a group, they held the highest social/cultural positions in Spain. Before their terrible and traumatic misfortune of expulsion, Issac Abrabanel who was the right hand to Ferdinand and Isabella asked for right of departure and safe passage. This was given, even by a papal bull. Issac requested and was granted that it would fall onto the ninth of the month of Ab of the Judaic calendar to correspond with the date of the destruction of the temple. Why?There was this apocalyptic fear movement going on in Europe at that time (another reason for the Inquisition) and Abrabanel belonged to the apologetically minded and into END OF TIMES drama meisters. (He wrote Deliverance of the Anointed One and held himself out as a leader of the messianic movement that was to follow. So making sure that Fred and Liz kicked them out on exactly the right date, would serve the bigger purpose in his mind of bringing all Jews together under the Messiah, which was supposed to happen on 1503. Sorry I digressed. But the inquisition is so often cited and used for narratives, but so little is really known about it.Back to Catholic bashing. So London Bridge was adorned with Catholic Heads on both sides to remind all that the Church was no longer, and forever banned. This was political.But fed the wonderful tradition of Catholic mistrust and bashing to this day in much of Europe and North America. Remember the Know Nothing Party? Remember the murders of priests in Alabama and New England. Remember the burning of an Ursuline orphanage in NY? These things did not happen really all that too long ago. I have childhood memories of destruction and burning of a Catholic church where we briefly lived as a child. It is easy to make fun of the visual and symbolic traditions, pomp and prayer. But do not know if the Church as an institution well over 2000 years old has any more dirt in its history than any other state/institution?
oleg, the situation in syria appreas more complex to the outsider. people are still putting the pieces togetherwhereas the situation in palestine has been going on for decades and is completely transparent at this point, there’s nothing complex about understanding what’s going on there. directing people to look at syria won’t change that.you ask below why there have not been many syria posts here and i can only speak for myself and why i have not written any. i’ve already explained this before (i think). i have very much been following events there, very much. there’s just so much bs coming out of the msm it’s hard to decipher it all. on the very first libya thread i mentioned i am not a fan of nato intervention. i didn’t like it in libya and would not like it in syria. the collateral damage’ would be enormous. the US instigated a civil sectarian war in iraq. i think the people over there should work out there own problems. i thought of you and the other hasbrats last night when i was reviewing(14 UN Security Council members criticize U.S. for blocking condemnation of Israel). i was reading up on the trajectory of netanyahu calling the europeans irrelevant’ and to get out of their domestic affairs (as if settlements are a domestic issue!) ..anyway, the israeli response to the UN:Karean Peretz, spokeswoman for Israel’s UN Mission, questioned why the Security Council was focusing on settlements but remained silent and paralyzed on pressing issues including civilian killings in Syria, terrorist groups operating in Gaza, attacks on UN forces in Lebanon and Iran’s quest for nuclear weapons.divert divert divert what a big coincidence all the israel supporters are so concerned about syrians while they are chugging along for decades imprisoning millions of arab palestinians/not. you don’t fool anyone. from the ifm to the lowliest hasbrat it’s the same talking pt out of all of you.
w az én voltam, csak kicsit hamarabb nyomtam az entert :) node hol vannak a többiek akik beszámolhatnának a történésekről? Vagy mindenki nyaral? :)
Már azt hittem, a tota w látogatott át.÷)
Nézd meg a tour de hongrie bejegyzést,akkor kb. látod hol tartanak.Még gus-nál is vacsoráznak valamikor.
Guséknál vacsoráztunk – isteni volt, nagyon jó emberek, mi meg mint egy darab kő ültünk a sarokban és halgattuk őket. Mostanra kipurcantunk. Éppen készülődünk, összepakoljuk a cuccainkat és indulunk haza. Ma éjszaka már Milánó, holnap este már vendégek, I will sleep when I die…
@pazzo: nagyszeru osszefoglalo, koszi :-) Egyebkent osszefutottunk Apuskaval, Bengabigevel es Cserkevel is vegul, igy mar minden dij kezbesitve. Beszamolok majd holnaptol.
@Katica már várjuk.÷)
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